tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post7974234100437070398..comments2024-03-02T19:27:39.460+00:00Comments on linguistlaura: Dogs shall be carriedLaurahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15599735346062899537noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-75797194926818637882015-01-31T10:59:46.097+00:002015-01-31T10:59:46.097+00:00It's usually used in making offers, or at leas...It's usually used in making offers, or at least that's the use that's commonly presented in ELT material. Nice article here on some prescriptivist poppycock about 'shall': https://badlinguistics.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/simon-heffer-and-a-cartload-of-rubbish/Ipmilathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11370120491927658242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-20856370206474926372015-01-21T13:40:34.014+00:002015-01-21T13:40:34.014+00:00Hm. I thought I replied to this but it must have g...Hm. I thought I replied to this but it must have got eaten. Anyway, yes, it is used in questions, of course you're right. But in declaratives, it's now quite rare. It's interesting that it's hung on in one context and not the other. Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15599735346062899537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-31176574103268701242015-01-19T19:22:48.932+00:002015-01-19T19:22:48.932+00:00No one really uses 'shall' any more
I use...<i>No one really uses 'shall' any more</i><br /><br />I use "shall" all the time. I say to my wife "Shall I close the window?", meaning "Do you want me to close the window?". vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-22215790649204292742015-01-18T17:08:23.767+00:002015-01-18T17:08:23.767+00:00Yes, I would say that was correct. At least, sayin...Yes, I would say that was correct. At least, saying it like that gives me that reading. Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15599735346062899537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-58810100911648574562015-01-18T16:52:29.098+00:002015-01-18T16:52:29.098+00:00I don't think the modal verb makes any differe...I don't think the modal verb makes any difference (except that 'shall' sounds a bit old fashioned and probably therefore more authoritarian?) but doesn't the tone group change depending on whether it is taken to mean 'if you have a dog, you must carry it' (dogs must be CARRied') or 'you mustn't use the escalator unless you are carrying a dog'? (DOGS must be carried.)Ipmilathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11370120491927658242noreply@blogger.com