tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post6664770043041986262..comments2024-03-26T07:09:21.701+00:00Comments on linguistlaura: RibenaryLaurahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15599735346062899537noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-54791580016042655392015-09-13T17:53:35.055+01:002015-09-13T17:53:35.055+01:00Rhotic American (from a historically non-rhotic re...Rhotic American (from a historically non-rhotic region, but 100% rhotic myself): The ad is just weird for me, yes. I don't have intrusive r, I don't have a -ry allomorph of -y, and "Ribenary" is impossible. If you add "-y" to "Ribena" you get something that I'd have to spell "Ribena-ey", but in practice I would prefer to avoid trying to say or spell it.AJDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212125374163334242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-29780184290805671472015-09-13T13:54:45.634+01:002015-09-13T13:54:45.634+01:00Random rhotic Scot here, but I've wondered abo...Random rhotic Scot here, but I've wondered about these before. It's great to see this in print, and TM too. <br /><br />It's unclear to me how we'd (easily) prove whether this is r-sandhi before -y or an example of a post-non-high vowel #ry allomorph of #y, even that might seem irregular/uncommon in the face of so much post-lexical intrusive /r/. <br /><br />More to my line of thinking, following Bybee etc, I would just think it is at some stage (maybe now, that it it appearing in print/media) going to be either-or-both, speaker-dependent, including being ambiguously / non-categorically represented by individual speakers (exemplar style with lack of clear abstraction). <br /><br />I'm rhotic, as I say, and so it seems obvious that for me, I have an #ry allomorph (not based on personal r-sandhi of course, which I don't have) in my speech - in bananary, as a lexicalised suffixed form. Vanillary too, I think. I find the /r/-less forms possible too, but not quite so highly activated. Once people see these things in print more often (I love the use of both "ribena" and "ribenary" in the same picture), an #ry allomorph becomes more likely / acceptable / intuitive. <br /><br />Jimnoisybrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13988209993043847538noreply@blogger.com