tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post1970519910906291160..comments2024-03-26T07:09:21.701+00:00Comments on linguistlaura: Pub crawlingLaurahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15599735346062899537noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-88766283948106142962013-08-19T20:53:06.770+01:002013-08-19T20:53:06.770+01:00I quite agree with Sir Walter Scott there (your fi...I quite agree with Sir Walter Scott there (your first commenter). A pub is no more a bar in the U.S. than chips are French fries, though both of the latter are fried potato products and they have somewhat analogous roles in the overall cuisines of the U.S. and the U.K. This is not at all like bonnet/hood or railway/railroad or similar true equivalences.<br /><br />But I have seen linguists using the zero-derived verb <i>backform</i> quite often.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-41830876001213385492013-04-27T13:45:31.641+01:002013-04-27T13:45:31.641+01:00Nice! Fame at last :)Nice! Fame at last :)Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15599735346062899537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-14138881986006986642013-04-25T13:19:41.161+01:002013-04-25T13:19:41.161+01:00You may like to know that I've just used this ...You may like to know that I've just used this post as an example of how to cite a reference available only online, in the Guide to Writing Linguistics Essays for the first-year Intro to Linguistics class!Damien Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05197935248553594880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-26180692445616704702013-03-18T13:16:46.656+00:002013-03-18T13:16:46.656+00:00That's OK, Unknown - I agree, the Blogger inte...That's OK, Unknown - I agree, the Blogger interface is good for posting but bad for interaction. Thanks for persevering and commenting anyway!<br /><br />Your point that the most efficient way to describe such an activity is with a zero-derived verb is exactly correct, but in the UK we don't do this, and in fact we do exactly what you say in your next paragraph: we say 'go on a pub crawl'. <br /><br />Also, I'm pleased to know you have such varied drinking establishments. Taverns, alehouses and saloons would sound hopelessly affected to me. Although a few pubs include such words in their names, none would describe themselves as a 'tavern'. But then, Moe doesn't describe his place as a tavern, despite it being named Moe's Tavern. He and all the regulars call it a 'bar'. Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15599735346062899537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6294141728297871688.post-88284981391268267332013-03-13T01:58:58.110+00:002013-03-13T01:58:58.110+00:00We have bars, pubs, and taverns in the USA, as wel...We have bars, pubs, and taverns in the USA, as well as cocktail lounges, saloons, and even a few alehouses. We also have many people of Irish heritage - many more than remain in Ireland, I think. <br />We don't have bar crawls or tavern crawls, only pub crawls, and once you have them, the most efficient way to describe the activity is with a zero-derived verb. <br />The other option would be some kind of light verb (do a pub crawl) or general action verb (go on a pub crawl), but that would be a little like saying "apply paint to my walls" rather than "paint," or "propel my canoe with a paddle" rather than "paddle."<br />It might be significant that crawl was already a familiar verb (and a zero-derived noun) before the compound became familiar.<br />Sorry about commenting as Unknown, but the Blogger interface is awkward.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14658289115041922636noreply@blogger.com